Anglicans to swim the Tiber in droves?

I have read so much about this lately, but I’m going to be a lone reed here and say, I actually am more than a bit concerned about this.

And i’m going to say something else….why isn’t anyone else more than a bit concerned about this too?

Writing as a former Anglican myself I feel very much that this potential en mass swim to Rome has to be about much more than getting the hump that a majority has voted in favour of female bishops being ordained in the Anglican Church.

So let me get this right.

If the vote wasn’t in favour of female bishops, the Anglicans would be staying put?


Thought so.

That to me is a problem y’see.

You either agree with what the Catholic Church teaches or you don’t.

Are Anglicans suddenly going to agree with what the Church teaches, wholly?

All those problems with the Papacy are going to be eradicated are they?

Along with a slew of other ‘grey areas’ to which Anglicans so often fence sit (particularly the pro choice issues).

We can boost our numbers, maybe even our parish finances for a time, but sooner or later, unless there’s a real connection, they are going to disappear from view.

Sometimes i think people just get far too worked up about adding to our church.

Without looking after those who are already its members.

It may sound good that thousands of Anglicans may become Catholic….and yes it would undoubtably be good for those who are genuinely open to learning what the Catholic Church teaches and therupon accepting those same teachings, if they then become Catholic…but how many will blindly follow their Anglican pastors?

How many more are going to be merely disgruntled church goers?

Wrong reasons I tell ya.

Wrong reasons.

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16 Responses to Anglicans to swim the Tiber in droves?

  1. I mainly agree with your sentiments, Debbie, especially as one who swam the Tiber last time, some 14 years ago now.
    Three points:
    1. No one should become a Catholic in order to leave something else – it must be because they want to be reconciled with the Church
    2. If this current vote enables some to re-evaluate the Catholic Church, all well and good – so long as that is what they do
    3. Having been there before, all I can say is take a pinch of salt with anything you read. Some people have a great interest in hyping up and talk of ‘mass exodus’ for various reasons. Let’s just see what happens.

    Fr Peter

    PS I like the new design. I’m sure I’ve seen that window somewhere before.

  2. Tim J. says:

    Good, good points. The Holy Father has already made pretty plain that he doesn’t see a smaller, more faithful Catholic Church as a problem.

    We should hope, though, that these situations will be an occasion for these people to begin asking the right questions, and looking for solid answers. That’s what happened to me. My denomination was struggling with the same kinds of problems, and it led me to really begin wondering about the nature of Christian teaching authority and whether the actual Church that Christ founded could ever really be identified with any assurance (Yes, it can).

  3. Tim J. says:

    Oh, and I like the new look!

  4. Antonio says:

    I agree.
    But I also know that as I read somewhere, sometimes the best journeys start with phrases like, “Let’s get the heck out of here!”.

  5. Suzanne says:

    Don’t know much about all of this, but our Father Don
    told me a long time ago that he thought that many Anglicans would convert over and he seemed to think of this in an uplifting way.

  6. Owen says:

    Makes me think of this story: “So in the present case, I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone; because if this plan or this undertaking is of human origin, it will fail; 39but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them?in that case you may even be found fighting against God!?” – Gamaliel

    Beyond that, I don’t think I’m equipped to say.

  7. Suzanne says:

    Hi, Deb…I don’t even know how to get back on my old Facebook thing I started! I just wanted you to know that as it said you left me a message on the funwall. Well, thanks…I just don’t go on there at all as I can hardly keep up with what is on these blogs..ha! Suz

  8. Jay3gsm says:

    I have had similar thoughts about these stories concerning a mass exodus from the Anglican church into the Catholic Church. I’m more than happy for lost souls to find their way back to the Church, but the motives must surely be sound. Will the Anglicans have a belief in the real presence? Will they accept the Church’s teaching on contraception? Those who have divorced and re-married are going to have some difficult issues to face.

    It is a concern that those looking to move into the Church don’t fully accept all that the Church teaches. If they did, they would be Catholic already, no?

    I don’t fully understand the situation, all we can do is pray for the right outcome, for all.

  9. Rosemary says:

    Still, those who come in for the wrong reasons may find the truth after they arrive. God may be using a roundabout path.

  10. Mark says:

    I appreciate your sentiments, Debbie, but I don’t agree.

    I too was an Anglican, and a “High Church” one. As such I truly thought that Anglicanism was catholic in its nature. I finally realised it was wrong and that, to use a metaphor, the ship I thought I was on was actually docked down at the Tiber.

    I think many Anglicans are going through the same thing.

  11. Mimi says:

    Orthodox converts are cautioned to be converting *to* Orthodoxy and not *from* another denomination, I totally understand.

  12. ukok says:

    Fr P and Mimi nailed it…..

    No one should become a member of one Faith in order to leave another. As simple as that sounds, that is a pretty comprehensive fact.

  13. Bob Catholic says:

    Just two small points, as an ex-Anglican clergyperson:
    1) Rejoice in the Truth found, not the heresy left behind!!!
    2) Rumors about “mass Anglican conversion” have surfaced before every major decision within the Anglican Communion. In 1992 in Australia, hundreds of Anglicans were going to “swim the Tiber” after the vote to ordain women. Yet no more than a hand full did!!!! Some went into the Continuum, some disappeared, but most just sat back down and exclaimed, “Just one more thing and I’m leaving”! Anglicanism is as much a cultural movement as it is a religious one. Some people just cannot stop being culturally Anglican.
    3) (Okay more than a couple) Anglicanism is not as united as some think. It is structurally autonomous. For example, in Australia every Diocese is completely independent. Some Romans (no disrespect intended) make the Archbishop of Canterbury the Anglican Pope. That just is not true. The Archbishop of Canterbury and Lambeth (and, in Australia, General Synod) have no authority anywhere!!!

  14. piperspop says:

    Before you all get upset about whether or not Anglicans will accept all Roman teachings, maybe you should be more concerned about whether Roman Catholics do!
    Divorce and remarriage, contraception, regular church attendance, etc, etc, etc ad infinitum. Does the term “cafeteria catholic” ring a bell with any of you?
    Have you looked at “catholic” US Senators and Representatives for instances. Get off the Holier than thou horse.

  15. ukok says:

    piperspop, i no more codone cafeteria Catholicism than i do anglicans converting to Catholicism without fully accepting the teachings of the Catholic Church.

    I’m a UK citizen, not U.S so actually, no i don’t think we have any where near the problems with Catholic liberalism that you do.

    ‘Holier than thou Horse’?

    Get a grip. This isn’t about being prideful.

    The Code of Canon Law states:

    Can. 843 §1. Sacred ministers cannot deny the sacraments to those who seek them at appropriate times, are properly disposed, and are not prohibited by law from receiving them.

    §2. Pastors of souls and other members of the Christian faithful, according to their respective ecclesiastical function, have the duty to take care that those who seek the sacraments are prepared to receive them by proper evangelization and catechetical instruction, attentive to the norms issued by competent authority.

  16. Jay3gsm says:

    Piperspop, I think your point is valid. There are enough people in the Catholic Church already who don’t fully live the teachings of the Church. So, what we don’t need is people joining the Church who will bring with them their half acceptances of Church teaching. We need more people true to the Faith, not more people who want the Faith the way it suits them.

    We should all pray that every person, Anglican or otherwise, who is not a full member of the Church finds their way here and accepts fully everything the Church teaches

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